Battlezone 1

SirDude's "poor bobcat..." thread inspired me to ask a bunch of questions...

What would you build, Grizzly or Bobcat?
... Bobcat or Razor?

In a DM, SPs or MAGs? (technically Black Dog Grizzly vs. Stealth Grizzly)

Who would win... Grizzly or Czar?
...Razor or Flanker?
...NSDF units or CCA units?

Upgrade or not to upgrade during a strat?

Is the NSDF Gun Tower better or is the CCA Gun Tower better?

Bombers... What should they be doing in your army? What about Walkers?

Scouts vs. Bombers... Who would win?

RAVE Gun or Sniper Rifle?

If you can explain, please do.

Razors. That way both your factory and recycler are building at once, creating a quicker army. AI scouts are pretty good with follow command.
Ha. SPs, of course. One of the few things in Battlezone that I don't like, it's the MAG cannon. You might say I despise it. It's part of the game, though, and with a bit of practice you can easily take out Stealth tankers with no problem at all.
It's actually when they hit you while you're fighting another tank. I realize the "Stealth" part of it, but it gets annoying after the first time.
It all depends on the player, in my opinion. Any unit can beat any other unit if the player has good enough skills.
Upgrading turrets with an extra minigun = YES. ALWAYS.
Other stuff? Only if you have a steady supply of bountiful scrap. Otherwise, it's way too easy to lose.
NSDF towers are better if you have less scrap, but if you have the same steady supply of bountiful scrap as you do when upgrading units, CCA towers with twin blast cannon is an effective defense against many players. All gun towers are still vulnerable to quite a few forms of attack, though. I choose to go with NSDF, since they are overall more worth it. You shouldn't need gun towers much anyways if you're on the offensive
Bombers are good against gun towers and APC's. Other than that, I usually don't have them.
NSDF walkers suck, but as CCA, triplet walkers or more is an effective force when backed up by fighters/tanks.
Hmmm...Scouts, if they outnumber the bombers.
Can I take both?

i find 3 NSDF walkers more effective at dealing with multiple enemys then the cca walkers.

if i remember right the NSDF walker is basically equal to 2 grizzlys in terms of armor and firepower.

Quoting myself... lol wut?


Bobcat. Why... you ask? Because I can get the same amount of AT-Stabber fire plus 300 more units, the same AI, more speed and accuracy, less heat loss (good against hornets), harder to lock Shadowers and Comet on it, and a build time of 7 instead of 10 for 25% less scrap to build it, 100 radar units less, and 1000 units of hull.

Some people may have another opinion on that.


Bobcat again, unless I'm not in a Scavenger/Production unit building frenzy and need ships fast or I don't have a Factory.



To me, the Bobcat looks like a Razor-turned-Tank...



This is one of those questions that usually turns into debate material... However, I think people can agree on one thing... the SP is, by far, the most efficient cannon to use.

In DM, I think efficiency doesn't matter as I have hosted interesting DM games...

Last night, I was trying to join Tailspin's Tanks vs. Bombers but I had to host instead because he wasn't responding... I haven't had that much fun since I haven't seen GOLEM, Hyperfighter, BattleDroid42, (Empty), Lone Fox, and Capt. Choes.

I spawned as a Stealth Grizzly instead of a Czar and I was loling. 300 meter MAG shots. How? Just fire partial charges and try to anticipate the movement of your opponent. If they charge at you, use full charge, but full only goes to about... 200m? I still missed my Czar though...


For Human players... It would depend on the pilot. For AI, I think Spork told me that in 1.5 and maybe 1.4, the Czar won.


I pitch for Razor since Chaingun rounds tend to seem a bit slow.


I tend to not upgrade much, especially CCA. I believe that the risk of losing a unit far outweighs the benefit of an upgrade.


I like the NSDF one more because it's a "Plug-in-Play" rather than trying to give the CCA towers some extra firepower.


Bombers usually are given an escort unit (Thunderbolt-Bobcat, Thunderbolt-Wolverine, Grendel-Stoli, Grendel-Czar) and are told to hunt. Quite effective as I have turned a couple battles in my favor doing this...

Sasquatches are great for spraying ATs at enemy scavs and base defense, while Golems are good for area denial and Anti-Spork tactics.


Back in 2000-2002, my Dad hosted a number of Scouts vs. Bombers games under the name GrendleHater. It was always a slug-fest. Think last night's Tanks vs. Bombers games, but with less lengthy fights, more explosions, and miniguns, chainguns, and shadowers instead of MAGs, Sps, Ats, Thumpers, MDMs, and Splinters.


Try running in a straight line at Spork with him equiped with his trusty steed starting at 1000m with a RAVE Gun.

i find a mix more efective then just one or the other as bobcats save scrap and time, but the grizzlys have more hull.



i would not compare, i use them for almost completely different uses.



i find dual mags very cheap in Dm, then again I'm the kinda guy who likes matches where everyone is stock.


PvP Grizzly; Ai Czar.




hard choice, i survive more often in a flanker then a razer.



i find giving 1 or 2 tanks the same gun set as you in the same tank, can win a game as players can get confused as who is the player, can really make the difference.



Hands down the NSDF



assualt on guntowers and S-powers, that is their best job.



i say bombers.



RAVE gun; i found a easy way to dodge snipers.

What would you build, Grizzly or Bobcat?
-Bobcat. Cheaper for a fairly equalized package; more ammo and harder to lock on, and I'm pretty sure they're slightly more maneuverable. However, if I'm swimming in scrap and I need a solid base defense, Grizzlies can take more of a pounding.

... Bobcat or Razor?
-Tough question. Razors are wicked fast and extremely maneuverable, as well as cheap, but they really can't take a hit and have less ammo onboard. If I need a fast response team, I'd pick Razors, but if I needed a more rounded force, I'd go Bobcat. And if I was going to pick a vehicle to fly, I'd take a Razor and upgrade it with dual stabbies. Hell of a punch in a mobile package if you can get a good supply of ammo.

In a DM, SPs or MAGs? (technically Black Dog Grizzly vs. Stealth Grizzly)
-I love the MAG cannon way too much for my own good. If I had a choice between an SPS and a MAG, I'd go MAG. It's the most versatile weapon I've ever seen.

Who would win... Grizzly or Czar?
-In an AI dukeout, I'm not sure. If I was flying though, I'd take a Grizzly, because the Czar presents a bigger target from the front.

...Razor or Flanker?
-Definitely a Razor. Flankers can be hard to hit from the front, but if you get a little altitude on them, then those huge wings make them instant toast.

...NSDF units or CCA units?
-Overall? Hard to pick. I like CCA units more in general, but that's not based on anything. In a base-building fight, the CCA have that HUGE ass recycler that makes a really easy target, but they've got some really badass defense turrets. In a straight-up vehicle-on-vehicle PVP, it depends on the vehicle. Some CCA units are better, some NSDF vehicles are better. I think they balance pretty well.

Upgrade or not to upgrade during a strat?
-If I'm in something with two cannon slots, I usually go for dual stabbies or dual MAGs. I like weapons in double configurations. Your overall loadout might be less balanced, but if you know how to use what you've got dualled, then you're in a good way.

Is the NSDF Gun Tower better or is the CCA Gun Tower better?
-For single, heavily armored targets, the NSDF gun tower kicks royall ass. Blast Cannon + Infinite Ammo = one messed-up baddie. However, it is easily susceptible to swarming, so for large assaults consisting of lighter units, I'd use the CCA towers.

Bombers... What should they be doing in your army? What about Walkers?
-I usually run with one or two bombers in a large assault. The blast radius of those dual rockets is hot stuff, and can turn a crowd of scouts into scrap with one or two shots. I almost never fly them, though; they're waaay to slow to turn. And Walkers... if I'm swimming in scrap, I like to keep a couple on guard duty, or send them in behind a main assault for some well-timed backup. But my general opinion is that they're more expensive than their worth.

Scouts vs. Bombers... Who would win?
-If I'm flying a custom Razor, no bomber will be able to take me down, but with the standard dual machinegun loadout, it really depends on the speed of your trigger finger and the ability of your enemy to lead the target.

RAVE Gun or Sniper Rifle?
-If I have a sniper rifle, and my enemy has a RAVE gun, then I get the RAVE gun along with their tank

If you can explain, please do.