Acceptable Strategy?, Why should I play to YOUR strength?

admin · **Joined:** September 21st, 2007, 9:18 pm **Posts:** 251

JonBlund wrote:

Yup gotta be carefull with BZ Tension

I rarely met you in DM games, but your DM in strategy was awesome. A few days ago your AI got me airborn several times. I can't remember you used AI that good in the past. It was more about DM back then.

Thanks for a sweaty game.. Or was it he summerheat?

admin · **Joined:** September 21st, 2007, 9:18 pm **Posts:** 251

DREDD wrote:

In respect to Blund, and to answer the general question as to how good I think he is; I would put him in the top 5 players of all time. The games were great when there was no lag, they were intense and very challenging... Jon is an expert in strategy and the use of AI's.

He is one of those players that when played, to win against him it is a game of least mistakes. The wrong turn of the tank can cost you the game, the wrong placement of a silo can cost the game, the most minute error is suicide. Others I place in this catagory and not in order are:

Shogun, Wall, Bum, and CreepingDeath.

valak · **Posted:** December 20th, 2007, 10:54 pm

scrap is oil ....scrap is gold ....scrap is helen of troy , or why would we fight at all?

440dartgts · **Joined:** December 29th, 2007, 8:02 pm **Posts:** 2

valak wrote:

scrap is oil ....scrap is gold ....scrap is helen of troy , or why would we fight at all?

Valak with all due respect, you are begining to bore the hell out of me

valak · **Posted:** January 9th, 2008, 6:05 am

[quote="440dartgts"][quote="valak"]scrap is oil ....scrap is gold ....scrap is helen of troy , or why would we fight at all?[/quote]

Valak with all due respect, you are begining to bore the hell out of me[/quote]

what a nipplehead ! who loves ya rimb? :twisted:

Mr. Spock · **Posted:** February 29th, 2008, 12:02 pm

Original post was posted long time ago (17 APR 2006) and it's on the (forgotten) first page so I will bring it back to remind us all what was this topic about:

DD40 wrote:

I had the same thing happen to me twice this weekend.
I want a general opinion from the STRATTERS about this.

Both experiences were about the same, so I will describe the common theme, and I'd like feedback/opinion.

I was in strat game(s).
Scrap was collected, things were built.

In both games, as is my routine, a STRONG defense was built around my recycler. I figure that the recycler is irreplaceable, so I'd better defend it.

Both games were on the Citadels map. There is sufficient, but not abundant, scrap. There is enough for a strong offense, and weak defense, or visa versa, but not both. In both cases I build a strong defense, and 3 tanks with SPs. In both cases my opponent showed up at the edge of my base with 10 offensive vehicles. In one case all of my scavengers were destroyed, in the other, most of them. I was clearly overwhelmed offensively, but my defenses were strong. I led my limited offense on end arounds and arrived at, in one case a TOTALLY undefended base, and in the other in a base that was minimally defended. In both cases the the opponent base was decimated. In both cases the opponent cried foul. One guy said that there wasn't a stratter worth a sh*t that would take out the enemy recycler first.

In both cases the opponent then took his offense head on into my base. One guy went over the top right down into my recycler. In both cases the base defenses held. The enemies offenses were destroyed and my recycler was left intact. At this point, with no offense, no defense, no recycler, factory or armory, the opponents quit, but not before accusing me of either being lame, or sucking.

I win some games, I lose some games. Unless there is out-and-out hacking, or violation of the rules (splinters or rec diving (hiding under a rec to get the defenses to kill it)) I always finish, win or lose, with a GG for my opponent.

In a game of strategy, when the decision is made to forgo any defense for a strong offense, why would someone complain about my strategy of eliminating the opponents unguarded resources? It seems to me that these people have set THEIR strategy and insist that I play along in such a way as to optimize THEIR success.

Am I wrong or not?

Regardless of whether or not you agree with me, thanks for your feedback.
Best,
DD40

I played dozen games with you DD, and 4 or 5 out of them were on Citadels and they were all exactly the same...
We met in the middle, I destroyed all your stuff (mostly tanks with dual SP's and scavs), then while I was collecting that scrap 1 solo tank destroyed my (weakly guarded) recycler. I was cursing, but not in the chat box, hehe. Later, you were very helpful when you were coming back for my other production units... so I won by taking your remaining lives. I had all the scrap so recycler wasn't so important to me.
Every time we both said GG in the end, cause they were all GG's.

I would probably enjoyed more if you had lost your lives while trying to seize the middle and take your scrap back, but strategy is too complex, and like your title says - "Why should YOU play to MY strength?"

Dx. wrote:

JonBlund,
Actually your wrong about some things, first and foremost, Strategy is about planning and directing military movements and operations. Its not or shouldn't be about fighting for scrap, that’s one thing that turns it toward DM fighting instead of a true Strategy. True Strategy isn't about scrap gathering.

Dx. wrote:

Kahless, anytime you have to focus on scrap gathering it takes away from the strat elements of the game.

Dx. wrote:

If managing scrap was necessary for strategy, then why do they make games without scrap management.

Dx. wrote:

I feel that theres a little too much focus on scrap gathering in bz along with some other things that make it less pure strat and a little too much dm.

Dx. wrote:

Na, i don't entirely object to the entire scrap harvesting process, i just think theres too much focus on it.

To Dx (aka reaper), the guy who is ruining strat by changing it into what his little DM mind thinks it's "better" and "more balanced", I can't say it better than Valak, so I'll just quote him:

valak wrote:

scrap is oil ....scrap is gold ....scrap is helen of troy , or why would we fight at all?

P.S. Hacker Danny (aka MCD aka RIMB aka 440dartgts) is not worth a (long) comment, because his strategy "strength" is in hacking tools.

DarkVim · **Joined:** May 14th, 2008, 3:48 am **Posts:** 228

admin wrote:

ORIGINALLY POSTED ON BZC BETWEEN 17 APR 2006 AND 24 JUL 2006

DD40 wrote:

I had the same thing happen to me twice this weekend.
I want a general opinion from the STRATTERS about this.

Both experiences were about the same, so I will describe the common theme, and I'd like feedback/opinion.

I was in strat game(s).
Scrap was collected, things were built.

In both games, as is my routine, a STRONG defense was built around my recycler. I figure that the recycler is irreplaceable, so I'd better defend it.

Both games were on the Citadels map. There is sufficient, but not abundant, scrap. There is enough for a strong offense, and weak defense, or visa versa, but not both. In both cases I build a strong defense, and 3 tanks with SPs. In both cases my opponent showed up at the edge of my base with 10 offensive vehicles. In one case all of my scavengers were destroyed, in the other, most of them. I was clearly overwhelmed offensively, but my defenses were strong. I led my limited offense on end arounds and arrived at, in one case a TOTALLY undefended base, and in the other in a base that was minimally defended. In both cases the the opponent base was decimated. In both cases the opponent cried foul. One guy said that there wasn't a stratter worth a sh*t that would take out the enemy recycler first.

In both cases the opponent then took his offense head on into my base. One guy went over the top right down into my recycler. In both cases the base defenses held. The enemies offenses were destroyed and my recycler was left intact. At this point, with no offense, no defense, no recycler, factory or armory, the opponents quit, but not before accusing me of either being lame, or sucking.

I win some games, I lose some games. Unless there is out-and-out hacking, or violation of the rules (splinters or rec diving (hiding under a rec to get the defenses to kill it)) I always finish, win or lose, with a GG for my opponent.

In a game of strategy, when the decision is made to forgo any defense for a strong offense, why would someone complain about my strategy of eliminating the opponents unguarded resources? It seems to me that these people have set THEIR strategy and insist that I play along in such a way as to optimize THEIR success.

Am I wrong or not?

Regardless of whether or not you agree with me, thanks for your feedback.
Best,
DD40

ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. CLOSE TOPIC. THIS DOSENT NEED TO BE DISCUSSED FURTHER. IF U DONT PROTECT REC DONT COMPLAIN ABOUT IT DYING.

CerberusAlpha09 · **Posted:** November 29th, 2008, 10:11 pm

admin wrote:

ORIGINALLY POSTED ON BZC BETWEEN 17 APR 2006 AND 24 JUL 2006

DD40 wrote:

In a game of strategy, when the decision is made to forgo any defense for a strong offense, why would someone complain about my strategy of eliminating the opponents unguarded resources? It seems to me that these people have set THEIR strategy and insist that I play along in such a way as to optimize THEIR success.

Am I wrong or not?

Regardless of whether or not you agree with me, thanks for your feedback.
Best,
DD40

Well, I will say this. As a new Stratter, and new to online, I think that whatever your opponent says is roughly equivalent to the remains of their vehicles after you finish blasting them apart. Good for recycling, but not much else. You really should not give a rats @ss about what they say, unless it is complimentary, or in Mr. Spock's case, strategy assistance after he murders you. Put simply, your strategy works, theirs didn't so they are sore losers. Don't worry about it.

Sporkinator · **Joined:** June 1st, 2008, 9:16 pm **Posts:** 3988

Reaper and the others were posting about too much focus on scrap gathering in BZ strat?

Then why did reaper increase the cost of the minelayer in BzE strat?

I don't think reaper will ever understand BZ strat.

Too much focus on scrap gathering? Excuse me while I roll on the floor laughing ecstatically...

BZ strat is scrap gathering + scrap management + DM tactics + defense + offense, etc.

If you don't like strat, then you must have hated battling your way through the campaigns... or did you even beat them? :lol:

NSDF and CCA campaigns on hard are both a walk in the park for a decent player.

CerberusAlpha09 · **Posted:** January 12th, 2009, 7:08 pm

Sporkinator wrote:

NSDF and CCA campaigns on hard are both a walk in the park for a decent player.

Uh... yeah... about that... ammo consumption is a little high on hard... and wasps hurt... so yeah... I agree, mostly fun, but I run out of ammo so damn much...

Sporkinator · **Joined:** June 1st, 2008, 9:16 pm **Posts:** 3988

Out of ammo? I have AI do most of the shooting.

If you fight with a few AI tanks, and you run out of ammo, just switch to another tank and command the one that is out of ammo to go to a NAV near a supply depot and hangar.

I'm not saying that the campaign wasn't ever difficult for me, it used to be difficult.

As long as it's still difficult, keep playing it.

Campaign was even easier after facing opponents online.

Both the campaign and online have made me a better player, but I still have room for improvement in online strat. :lol:

CerberusAlpha09 · **Posted:** January 13th, 2009, 12:13 am

True. After my couple online things, campaign was a breeze, especially since I started using tanks with dual SP's. Murder...

The fun part was when I fought the furies... I ran out of ammo so much...

And they come in bigger swarms too... not just 2 or 3, but up to 5 at a time in the last NSDF Titan mission.

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