Battlezone 1

First a little reminder - Ken Miller was tired of BZ2 modders (BZU) fighting with BZ1 players (us) over BZ1.5 patch and dragging him into it. In his try to end that, he registered here, started Chill Out Everybody topic and finally included us into making of the patch. In the same time he started "Battlezone1 kerfuffle" topic on BZU with similar text. Those 2 topics went into 2 completely different directions. On ours we, as Ken wanted, chilled out and started working on a patch even harder, while BZU's topic became unmoderated ground for blatant lies about BZ1 community. They are using Ken's initial post to make their lies sound "official". In respect to Ken and his work on a patch I didn't respond on his topic, I started a new one instead...

Most of us are banned from BZU, others don't wanna go there just to get banned if they say something "wrong". That reminded me of a BZE forum (BZC) and it's admin reaper, who banned from it all who didn't like his mod (95% of the community) and who has been using that forum ever since for his own wars against the original game and its players. We weren't able to resopond to their lies there, so back then we made a topic for that here - On coffee with BZE (BZC) clowns.

Today BZC forum is barely alive, so few survived clowns moved to BZU to join with BZ1 haters there. Now we need a similar Coffee-topic... On coffee with BZU clowns sounds appropriate to me.

I'll start with this:




For those who don't know, Eddy is owner of that nazi 911 server, from which everybody moved to battlezone1.net as soon as it was up. He is on a heavy medications since BZ recovered from the mess he made. Nielk is Bz2 player who never played Bz1, he barely plays Bz2. And ssuser is YG member (BZC forum = old YG forum) who is still trying to beat single player on easy, before coming online for the first time.

Those morons read this forum every day so we can't call it ignorance. They are having fun while spreading lies, with knowing nobody will say otherwise, cause the number of unbanned BZ1 players on that board is 0. If one somehow manages to make a post, it gets deleted right away, and perma-ban occurs.

I'm the one who called Ken, made special patch category and the one who constantly keeps sending data to him, while urging everybody to do the same. Saying that I lead people against this patch is not just a simple lie, it is a planned attack on this community by desperate BZE dummies. They can't stand the fact that we have average of 50 games per day, while they are barely having 1. You can see that yourself by looking at the recent games topic.

And now take a look at this:


Reaper lying that he wasn't trying to destroy BZ with his hacks and forced BZE promotion, and with Eddy under his command banning 50% of BZ community from (at that point) only BZ server.
He's now saying that he was in fact all this time working on a patch for us.

That statement is part of his lying plan in explaining Ken why he kept all the fixes for himself. He shouldn't get away with it.

Is that the same ssuser who wrote Some of the IA missions? I think he wrote Hells Gate 2.

But what are they on about? the second page is the odd one. the comments are rather constructive on the first page, if a little unrelated. The second page is just off the point altogether.

Yeah, ssuser made some decent IA missions (like Par 3), but I don't see how he tested his IA maps if he can't even beat single player on easy. Par 3 IA mission will beat the crap out of a player who can't beat SP on easy. I play BZ and TRO only on hard.

I want the game as it is with added bug fixes and making it nearly impossible to tweak/cheat. Stop lying about what BZ players want.

Yes he/we will, and here's why:

It will be a patch for the stock game, not a crappy mod like BzE. That's what he wanted and that's what entire BZ community wanted. So in fact we are FOR Ken's patch, not AGAINST it. Why you'd think BZ community would be against the patch they always wanted is beyond me...

You'd be more correct if you said "Spock and BZ1NEWPATCH and ENTIRE BZ COMMUNITY vs BzE".

Yeah sure. That's why you wouldn't apply FPS fix and E-W fix to 1.4, you'd only do NO CD and non-host pings. That's why half of BZ community got banned from 911 server, which was the only server at the time. That's why there were 2 rooms added to the lobby on 911 just to advertise your "development version" and get players to switch from BZ to your BzE mod, which I add is missing single player and has a nasty bug where walkers and a few other units cannot be thumped among other unwanted changes to the core gameplay, where strat is ruined so much that even a player like Sir Stratking AKA Jens won't play your mod. That's why in BzE 1.11 the ONLY server visible is 911 even with updated servers.dat? Since you failed at destroying BZ you're trying to pretend you want to help BZ. Maybe Mr. Miller doesn't see through your lies, but we do.

Off topic lies have been REMOVED.

In this thread we talk to those on other forums from which we are banned, not to eachother or to morons who show up and start more BS.

With knowing what recenty happened on BZU and with more and more of their BS being quoted here, I want to make clear that BZU morons and their supporters have 0 (zero) rights on this board. Unfortunately, Gandhi policy doesn't work anymore... I see now that to be able to fight you, I have to become like you.

Let's continue with their silly quotes and our reactions on it...



Seems reaper and Eddy got into a fight. Dunno why else would he make Eddy's nazi plan public...

BZU moderators lie as soon as they open their dirty mouths or should I say as soon as their dirty fingers touch the keyboard.

TheJamsh, lying about the reason why he banned me:

ban reason he posted 10 days ago


ban reason he posted today


The truth is, he banned me cause his superiors wanted me off the 1.5 patch team. Why? Cause they are aware I would work on it in BZ1's best interests, while he thinks next about BZ1:



He's one of the main patch "helpers" there. Along with Dx and Eddy. Fortunatelly Ken came here.

Banned for this:


I'm not spock, i was doing what i thought was right, you could of just deleted my post instead of ignorantly banning me .

Also, your deletion of posts for things that you dont agree with/ or support is entirely BIASED.

Lets take a look:
In battlezone 1 terms
You support BzE because its created by one of your fellow 'modders' of course its 'modders support models'.
You don't support Bz'98 because it RIVALS the 'dead' BzE, because none of the bz1 community wants to play that, they would prefer the REAL game (go to http://www.battlezone1.net for the REAL thing).

And in battlezone II Terms:
You have no battlezone 1.2 part of the bzu forum whatsoever.
Where on bz2maps (primary 1.2 forum), there is a section for 1.3
Also i have never seen a 1.3 player advertise 1.2 for a player.
Ive seen alot of times in 1.2 a player saying 'you should try 1.3' or 'if you dont like this go to 1.3'

The be and end all is that you are very, very biased.
And you will continue to, based on all recent evidence.

(This post is was created for bzu, but i am banned )

I'd like to offer apology to Tom/Dominant on behalf of the GMteam at BZU. RD did not realise you were not Mr. Spock until you had already been banned. However, the ban has as yet not been undone (and I am in no position to overturn it) due to the reference to the BZ'98 installer - which I presume is illegal. Due to various brushes with the law in the past, CmptrWz (and thus the moderators) have to treat such references very carefully.

Apologies again.

I am sure you will be able to re-register as Dominant if you so wish.

You see, BZU admins and mods are actually a lovely bunch. They will only ban you if they think you are Spock. If they ban 5-6 wrong people while looking for (already banned) Spock, no biggie, s*** happens. We all have our superiors, can't blame them for responding to reaper. Or can we?

More BZ drama? Gimme a break. They're just mad a 1.5 patch is in the works and nothing for BZ II & that no one plays their mods.


I think someone over there is mad they cannot have you, Spock

I personally had nothing to do with the ban and through PMs with you during your time over at BZU you will (hopefully) have grasped that I am none-hostile and just want a little less discourse.

I'd love to get 1.5 working (or what there is of it so far) on W7 - seems BZ1 is finally getting the attention it deserves.

Dummies like Nielk should't be getting space here, but you have to see what he posted. Pay special attention on terms "older version" and "half".

(he's talking to us)

We use a patched version? Yes, we have the latest official patch (1.4 patch), have you been living in a cave?

What is this "other half" you speak of? Anybody using an older version of Battlezone needs to stop using 1.0, 1.1, 1.2, 1.3 and get 1.4. For crying out loud, the 1.4 patch has been out for a long time. You also claim people play BzE, which is obviously nonsense and you'd know that if you checked BzE's status page and saw that they have 0 games in 24 hours.

Those "Sub-builds" you speak of are simply installer builds, each installs the same game, but each installer has some new multiplayer maps and/or IA maps added to provide even more fun for BZ players. If you want to talk about how modified the installers are, 1.4L was a very modified installer, made by the "Battlezone Club", which ironically no longer supports BZ1, but only Dx's BzE mod. Every BZ installer after that was stock game. Some important fixes are in latest installer, Battlezone 1998, which fixed serious bugs with CCA strat units in multiplayer. If you are a stratter, you are glad for these fixes, and if you play SP only or you are a DM'er, they don't affect you at all.

Full game "embedded"? Hardly. Where's single player?

In real BZ, I can thump walkers. In BzE I cannot. Enough said. All the other unwanted changes have already been discussed in other topics.

On the contrary, BzE did not ADD content, it SUBTRACTED content. For crying out loud... single player is missing! Trade single player for BZ II ships? No thanks.


You don't strat, you play only DM with bomber. Of course you didn't notice the blast in NSDF Armory or CCA Gun Tower being hacked with only 1 chaingun instead of 2. If being a BZ player means having so-called "Spock Mentality", then change my name to Spock and call me a freaking Vulcan.

Yes. We don't want a new game. We want the exact same game with bug fixes.

You're the one who's stuck in DM and stuck in a bomber. We aren't stuck in time, we just like the same game after 12 years because it rocks.

Phew, Blunt Force Trauma... One of the biggest FPS tweakers and THE biggest firewall abuser in BZ history. He was banned for cheating more times than he wants to remember, therefore he has a special place on the Wall of shame. No wonder he's looking for a comfort in BZ2 community, where his BZ1 crimes are still unknown.

Spork, it is not on me to tell you with who to drink your coffee , but you really shouldn't waste your time on BFT. He is totally meaningless, with zero "power" on BZU and with zero influence on Ken and 1.5 patch.

A quick look at his lying quotes and even an outsider can see how BFT "thinks". BZE lies are now being spread on BZU forums too, lies that BZ is dead and that everybody is in BZE.



Why he lies like that? Because BZE mod with no single player, with a focus on a DM and BZ2 ships, limited for a server where hacks are allowed and with majority of players being banned, is his only chance to leave a mark and we all know how desperate he is to be remembered... That's why he has 1000 exactly the same posts about nothing on BZC.

Even if the game you love is going through hard times, you don't say things like that, especially not while Ken is working hard to improve it. But BFT doesn't love the game, he never did. Besides, BZ is doing better than ever in the last 6-7 years, considering we are dealing with Vista/7/Dx10 issues. There's no better proof than a simple PrintScreen, done every week for the past few months, showing which server and which game has active community.

BFT never did anything to contribute to BZ, all he did in his dirty BZ history was cheating on other bombers with FPS and FW, and all he does lately is talking derogatory about the game. It's clear that he hates BZ more than he hates himself, for never advancing from a silly bomber, after all these years...

Is there nothing good to be said about any BZU person?