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Pvt Noonee

Spock, the reason his assault on your remote scrap collection base was so tough is he didn't spend enough effort on his defense, because he invested it in offense putting the hurt on you. Attacking his base any way you can is all part of the game. You shouldn't feel ashamed to exploit an enemy weakness. Everybody has time, and scrap. How you use both determines your strength and weaknesses. I have played Jon Blund where he threw everything into offensive units and really attacked the heck out of my base. I found when I limped over to his base for a desperation attack with what little I had left, only find out his base was defenseless! Not a single anything in his base, Rec naked to the taking. Did I feel guilty? With only one ship left, my Rec and Factory gone, and just enough ammo to destroy his Rec, heck no!

Some ppl will make you feel like there is some doctrine of attack units first and buildings last is the only right thing, but this is not so. When you have killed your opponent x ammount of times, it says YOU WIN. This terminates the game, and the management of time and materials is for the most part how you often get there.

Qa'plagh, Kahless

"EXPLOITING YOUR OPPONENTS WEAKNESSES" Isn't this what the basis of Strategy is all about?

Well said Kahless,

DREDD

Usually defences are mainly to slow the opponent down imo. NSDF Gun Towers and turrets are pretty acurate, but everything else makes about 50% of their shots. If he had a few more turrets, it may have detered you from attacking his rec.

Ulfsaar

your win is entirely deserved when it gets down to one on one, had either one of you played any better you'd have a fleet behind you instead of one to one. I say GG Spock and Hal.

that's the beauty of this game. you can never let your guard down.
I've seen some guys leave a game as soon as their recycler is gone but really there's plenty more damage you can do, especially if you still have some sniper shots left. the last Team game Benjamming and I won, the opponent let his guard down after we lost both recyclers so we ended up drawing him into a mild fight with Benjamming's Flanker in the guy's base while I jump sniped from the side. we got a GG for underdog teamwork from him too.

BTW, I need some serious lessons in scrap collection. I'm still a noob against humans in strat.

Any map you have in mind? It's good to pick 1-2 maps you like, to start with, and get some effective rutines there. All maps have their own details. There are several alternatives to start out on each map. The better players will not use the same rutine every game.
It depends on who you play, how many plrs in game, how much risk you are willing to take (how greedy/offensive you are), and so on.

But you'll be surprised about how much you can speed up scrap collecting. And that means also being able to reduce your buildtime. We're talking about minutes here.

now I feel all this pressure to learn. frankly I just haven't had the time to do strat, cause you know strat takes hours to do it right.

yet I love to hear "where's the power, going for geyser" over and over.

actually Spock sent me some good tips on this, I'll see how well I can implement them. like you [Jon] and Spock have said, I need to learn the maps really well.
what I really need is to start playing Toxic-Ben in the house more, since he needs to learn better strat too. he's sort of backed off of learning strat because of being beaten so many times really quickly. (however he's starting to whup me in Bombers DM now).

I have played jon once or twice, and he was obviously toying with me. One was on the Grand Canyon or whatever map, and it was 1v1. I had no chance. I dont even think i saw him at all. I drove a howie behind his base when he didnt know it, but the only thing that really acomplished was me getting killed


Ulfsaar

:lol:

I think we now have solution for Jon and those like him - map Bunker Hill, on which host has only 1/3 of scrap on his side.

LOL i was just reading that


Ulfsaar :rolleyes:

Ultra secret secret about jonblund- Destroy his constructor as early as possible before he gets that first silo up and he is easy pickins!

I know his defence well too. I send a scout in to attack something deep inside his base and boom goes minefield.

IMHO, mines need shorter explosion radius, so that one mine detonation doesn't set off the whole field.

You guys want me to host bunkerhill then? B)

Taking out constructor slows you down yes. And sending a ship in front to detonate mines is clever too. You play well BB1, but not often to be seen in game..

I don't play often cuz' n'vidia is stupid.

I think mine step controls that... Yeah one mine setting off a bunch around it makes a big whole in the defence.

Who has ever experienced and wondered about not being able to kill APC pilots?! And if so, you may have quit the game saing something real bad? Because those little men are real killers. And they get 10 times worse when you can't kill them with MDM Mortars...

Yesterday I played a game I was about to lose. I then got a chance to kill my opponent, the player himself. I dropped and detonated 4 MDMs pretty close to him. I saw he had ZERO hull after the third. After the fourth he started to walk away, me thinking what the heck, and, what to do? I moved away from the cliffs that prevented me being sniped (it was my last life). As I fired and saw the player being hit by dual SPs, he sniped me :ph34r: ....

Ok what we have here are APC PILOTS and PLAYER PILOTS. If NSDF, both pilot types have 250 hull! You can't kill them by MDMs, as we are used to. You shout at your opponent and tell him to quit using those APCs!! He does not listen and then it may be you who quit the game

Today I got a message from the guy I played yesterday. He saw and heard the MDMs! He was ready to die he said, he thought I was holding Ctrl. But I was detonating them 1 by 1!
On his screen they simply were not detonated and could impossibly harm him. And he had max hull he said, not zero as my screen showed..

(I could not damage his mines either. No matter how many MDMs I fired/detonated)

I hope this can add some understanding between stratters. This may have gone thousend times under terms like "damn lagger".

Solution: I suggest stop using APCs if the problem is there, in the game you play. Normally APCs are great fun and can be countered.

To all who may be interested to discuss this here: Please no technical speculations here, there's other topics for that. This is only about how to deal with the issue between players, in-game..

Very intersting, JonBlund...

I remember in one game, back in the days when I was a strater, being attacked by a large formation of APCs.

I always used to carry a mit mine, so I just dropped a mit mine in their path within range of a couple of turrets armed with flame guns, backed up against a supply depot.

They got trapped before they opened and my turrets destroyed the lot.

You need to replicate these effects again with another player just to be sure.

Just call on me of you need someone.

Thanks, I think it's ok like this. I just wanted people to be aware of what is going on when this happens. You know how people can react on something that can't be killed
APC pilots and player pilots die nicely most of the time. 1-2 MDMs (max 3) should kill a pilot/group of pilots, when detonated right.
A regualar mortar, or rockets may do if MDMs don't work. But that's not what you have in your Grizz/Czar.


Sounds pretty bad if you're talking about the 1.0 Flash Cannon B)
You may remember a guy named Spectre? He got people to chase him and then dropped Mitzmines around. When you got stuck on one he jumped out of his tank and typed "hehe" before he sniped you. Of course he made sure you could see him aim. That hurt :unsure:

LOL! The name rings a bell maybe, but then I was always more of a forumrat than a strater. At my best I could compete with the best but never win.

(Ppl stopped using the first flash if you remember. BTW. With so mahy narrow canyons on the maps I think the weaker flame still has a place.)

What I'd really like to do one day, instead of reading 'warstories', is join a game in a capitan, ally with everyone, and then buzz around just watching the action. BZ spectator heaven!

But the BZ progammers had the devil on their shoulders when they made this work of evil genius. There's nothing more frustrating than getting caught in a mit mine when your in full flow! :blink:

And I,m gonna check out the mortar thing on my home LAN.

I have had this problem with very few people all these years. Hopefully it was only between me and them.


I remember back in '99 I was mostly on foot running for my life after 5-10 minutes. But I always stayed in game to watch the "big guys" from top of the cliffs.

Heh, heh - always the best way to learn is to watch.

I played a horrible game with Jon yesterday... It was on The Compass and, like every recent game with Jon, it lasted more than 3 hours. I played many games with Jon but I think this is my last one with him. My body simply can't stand it. I went on the net in search for a little relaxation after a hard day and all I got was pain and aggravation. The reason why I am writting this terrible game in topic about GG's is if I ever forget why I am not playing with Jon anymore I just need to come here and read this to remained myself.

Hm, because it lasted so long I pretty much forgot how the first 2 hours of the game went. I think we collected about the same amount of scrap... I had my rec deployed on SE geysers and Jon was on NE, and this were the places where we built our bases and where all the fighting occurred. This map is very good for howitzers so both of us had a bunch of them. I was first to put them on that small mountain close to my base but soon, in one moment of inobseravnce, Jon destroyed them. That gave him time to put his howitzers on a mountain close to him. That wasn't good for me cos they started killing my stuff rapidly. While they were firing mortars, Jon and I were deatmaching. He was pretty much better in all the fights against me, but there was this one fight that I have won. After I got him airborne he tried to land close to his base and get in his tank, but I managed to take his second life. Can't remember how he lost his first. That gave me some time to destroy his howitzers and again put mine on that small mountain. They started firing and managed to kill some of his units but again, in moment of recklessness, I lost them all. We created so much scrap with this howitzer killing, I think we broke some kinda record. <_<

I lost my first life when Jon thumpered me and then destroyed my tank. I was far away from my base so I tried to snipe him, but no luck there.
Again, Jon moved his howies in a position. This time they stayed there until the end of the game. 7 or 8 of them were firing mortars at me for about an hour. Not a good situation. I tried to kill them but every time I got near them Jon was there with his tank. I tried to DM him but I was fighting against him and 7 or 8 howitzers. That is how I lost my second life. Mortar shells killed me. So, we were both down to one life.

When I saw that I alone can't get near his howies, I tried to move my howies closer to his. But, every time I did that they got destroyed cos his were on a higher ground and had a longer range. I even built a satellite and directed howies to go all around my back on a mountain right to me. That was a good move. Jon didn't noticed them at first so I did a little killing with them. But once he saw them that was their end. It all returned back to normal with his mortar shells falling all around. The only good thing in all of this was that his howies couldn't reach my rec, only gun towers and miners in front. He kept destroying them and I kept collecting that scrap. We were deatmaching a lot and I got blown out of my tank a few times. But, he couldn't do any progress and I couldn't move at all... :ph34r:

We could have continue fighting that way for another 3 hours ... I was frustrated, Jon was surely frustrated too. He didn't want to keep fighting that way so he moved all his howies and all of his offensive force on a mountain right from me. Soon my rec was under fire by mortars but I still had some howies which I directed to attack his. He nearly got my rec, but it survived. In the meantime all of his howies got destroyed and his tanks were under fire too. He moved his rec and factory to the E set of geyseres so they would be closer to scrap. It was now or never. I took all of my offensive force that I kept at the back and attacked his just moved base. There wasn't a lot of resistance there cos he hadn't had time to put some defense there and because my mortars destroyed a lot of his units. I managed to kill his rec and factory and Jon too. Finally, game was over.

It was obvious that anyone who dared to make any kind of attacking move will lose this one. It was Jon who decided to do that, but if I did that I would have lose for surely. I felt like a base sitter for most of the game, but there isn't much I could do against Jon. I hope he won't hold it against me... :unsure:

I was joking at the top, it was a GG Jon. B)

HAL

ROFLMAO!!!

GG Hal

I got wasted in DM twice early in game (and killed). I took two of your lives much later in game but I failed to take advantage both times. All time was used on getting new howies into position, get them to attack the right targets and defend them. And also keep you from getting yours into good positions.

I prepared for a mass-attack twice but had the AI waiting in reach of your howies and I lost them. After that I kinda gave up and accepted that loss of playerlives could end this game. But that took forever :unsure:

My last move failed badly. I was not able to let the howies attack your recycler as soon I had deployed them. There were too many units/buildings and the display shows only 10 alternatives/targets to attack. By the time I had destroyed a lot of your stuff, you had targeted my howies and I lost mine. I saw your rec with only a few red bars left, but it survived. A min later your howies were pounding my production units. In addition you rebuilt offensive units quickly...
It went to hell.. You owe me a rematch.