Battlezone 1

But I'm not talking about the history of BZ/BZE, I'm simply saying there is nothing wrong with BZE as a mod, which was the original question I sought to answer. And if you're thinking "well reaper was bad back then, so he's bad now!", I think you are making a mistake. Why? Well, you and Xtreme have hacked a game or two before, but does that make you evil and wicked now? I think not. The same principle applies to Dx/reaper: he isn't hacking games now and he isn't trying to shove BZE down your throats. Maybe he's changed, just like you did. Or maybe not. Maybe he's scheming evil plans to someday shutdown the battlezone1.net server. But it's not evident in his posts or his actions. Give the guy a break and forget about him for awhile; he's not hurting you, or your players. And it just isn't funny to air out the dirty laundry in newbies faces when they ask a simple question about something they won't ever(hopefully) experience.

For clarification: there is nothing wrong with BZE as a mod, and maybe the history behind it is evil, but at the present there is no evidence to prove any current evil intentions. This may change, but as 1.5 is due out soon, it shouldn't be a problem.

Wrong again, why don't you go back and read the posts so I don't have to repeat myself?

Aside from the unwanted gameplay changes in the mod, it is limited to 1 server in the code. It splits the already small community of players. Why do I have to keep repeating that? In fact, that's how BzE is now, not just in the past.

Why are their so many non-players trying to discuss the game, its history, and its mods? That's like me claiming to be an expert in nuclear physics, despite having never been educated in the subject.

IT IS A MOD! That means he can do what he pleases with it. It also means you don't have to play it.

Yeah? Well do me a favor: install a fresh copy of Bz1998; open up bzone.exe; check how many servers there are in the server list; how many do you see?

What? I thought you said the only people who play BZE were 'hackers', 'cheaters', and 'liers'? How can that be detrimental to the community?

I'm not. I simply answered a question.

REAPER MEANT FOR IT TO NOT BE A MOD, BUT FOR IT TO REPLACE THE GAME ENTIRELY!





Here's the part of your statement in which I will show you your failure. Those are gamefiles, not the code. Reaper changed it in the code, for instance, with a little changing you could make the server list in Bz1998 show all the servers, in Reaper's mod, no matter what you do you will never get all servers on BzE.



By saying it does not hurt to play that mod, you are splitting the community.





Your long answer certainly is long enough to be called a discussion.

but it is a mod now, and just because of bad beginnings doesn't make it bad now...

ah, but how many 'average' players know that? I didn't know it until recently... and just because you can circumvent it in Bz1998 doesn't make it right...

I don't see how it will split it in half, as the only ones who will ever play BZE more than 5 minutes are unwanted in the community... and I seem to remember somebody saying:
so 5 'hackers' removed won't hurt the 200 one bit...



I was using a past tense referring to my original post, not the discussion that ensued after it...

And you think reaper has given up on trying to force us all to BzE?


If battlezone1.net wasn't around we'd still be dealing with reaper's nonsense.

It was bad before, bad now, and will remain bad for years to come. But you never played online when this was happening, so are in no position to say it isn't bad now. You haven't been through all this crap that brought the game close to extinction.



Believe it or not, a lot of players know that, but even if all servers were shown, it wouldn't matter, a majority of the community(along a piece of Croatia) is banned from a few servers, and the rest are run by hackers, so battlezone1.net is the only server where Bz people play and that is moderated to stop hackers, and the others are mostly empty.

Just because I didn't experience it first hand doesn't mean I don't understand it. Again, you can't judge someone solely from past events, though past events will play a big part... but from his current postings, I don't see any evil intentions... And I'm not saying what he did(according to you) was okay, I'm just saying there is nothing wrong with BZE as a mod.

That IS a problem, but it still doesn't make it right... There is nothing wrong with showing all the servers, even if nobody plays on them, or if the players are hackers.

BTW, what is your avatar? (yes I know, an eye, but what kind and from where?)

You don't understand it because you don't play the game, dummy.Why do you feel the need to repeat the same bull crap over and over? Stop repeating yourself.

BzE limits everybody to 1 server in the code. No matter what you do, you do not have a choice. Also, some non-hackers are banned from that 1 server, and hackers run wild and free on that server. You think that's OK, yet you dare to question us uniting the entire Battlezone community on a single moderated server where everybody plays games in peace, where hackers are put in their place!?!? Buzz off moron.
Dummy, you don't know what's right and what's wrong, you already proved that in your previous posts.

If there are no players, the server has no purpose, and hackers don't count as players.

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